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Hey folks. Um where the heck did April go? For reals. My posting has been soooo sporadic and for a while I couldn’t figure out why. Then I realized that my Ironman training ramped up this month. This week, for example, my training is at 14 hours/wk. I haven’t really figured out how to balance work, puppy, training, blogging, and a social life. If you think I’ve been neglecting you, I have straight up abandoned a social life.
With all this craziness I’ve been all over the place lately. I’ve been starting a lot of posts lately…and not finishing them. Which is the story of my life. I’m constantly going in twenty directions, and I find it hard to devote my full attention to completing any task. A while ago, I posted a formspring page…and never finished answering all the questions.
I answered some of the questions (here and here). But there are still a fair number of them that have yet to be answered (because, honestly, I kinda forgot about it…). The remaining questions can really be grouped into two categories: running/triathloning and lawyering. So…in order start cleaning up the stuff I’ve started and not finished, tonight I bring to you the answers to the lawyering questions.
Where did you go to undergrad and law school?
I went to Washington University in St Louis for undergrad, where I got a BA in Political Science and Environmental Science. But, that was not before beginning as a math major, switching to a physics major, pondering a move to the engineering school, considering switching to the social work school and finally contemplating the ability to get a third major in women’s studies. I love school. For reals y’all. If I could stay in school learning for the rest of my life I would be sooooo happy (academia, anyone?!).
And, I went to Duke for grad school, getting a joint law degree and Masters in Psychology (JD/MA). I started out just as a law student, but I knew that I was going to enter a joint degree program after my first year. At first I just didn’t know what the joint degree would be in. I was leaning towards a joint JD/MEM (Masters of Environmental Management…the program which led me to pick Duke) before law school, but it became clear that as much as I loved environmental work, my real passion was in the intersection of criminal law and psychology.
I love hearing stories about your work, how did you know you wanted to be an attorney? Did you go right to law school after college? Was law school as hard as everyone says it is?
First, off…how did I know I wanted to be an attorney? Um…I think the better question is when did I figure out I didn’t want to be an attorney. I went to law school straight out of undergrad. My path veered towards law school for many many reasons, none of which were wanting to be a lawyer. I think. I ended up in law school because:
Now, I didn’t figure out that I wasn’t interested in being a lawyer until my first year of law school. By then, I’d sunk enough money (and energy) into law school, it didn’t seem like a choice to leave. Plus, I had no idea what I really wanted to do (beside “save the world”). Eventually, I figured out that I wanted to change the way our criminal justice system is run. I am a huge proponent of rehabilitative programs in prisons and juvenile detention centers. And, my ideal dream job would be to design and implement rehabilitation programs in juvenile detention centers (or as we call them in GA, “Youth Development Campuses”). I essentially want to be a prison psychologist. (My master’s thesis was on Deviancy Training in Juvenile Detention Centers, i.e. how kids come out worse after confinement time…)
This is going to require going back to get my PhD in Clinical Psychology. When I realized what I really wanted to do with my life in law school, I considered going straight into a PhD program. Then I thought that it might be helpful if I had a real person job before I turned 30. So I decided to be a lawyer for a little bit. But, my estimated return to school is fall of 2012.
You started in Big Law – was your goal to end up in Big Law before/during law school? Or did you always have an interest in PD work?
For the non-lawyer-y people out there, “Big Law” is essentially the term huge firms that do all the corporate work. Straight out of law school, I was working at one of the largest (size-wise) international firms doing corporate and securities work. The partners I worked for specialized in venture capital finance. There are some people who dream about working in these huge firms where you work way too much for lots and lots of money. It was never my dream to work in a firm like that. But, I had six-figure law school debt, and working in the public sector didn’t seem to be doable. So, I took a big law position with the plans of moving on, either into the public sector or back to grad school after a few years.
The economy and managing partners had different plans for me, though. When I was laid off last year, I had to look at it as an opportunity. An opportunity to pursue something I care about. So, I applied to public sector jobs, hoping to nab a public defender job. The population I work with has a very high incidence rate of mental illness and drug problems, so I encounter daily the issues I want to deal with as a psychologist. Plus my job is essentially one part lawyer, one part social worker. The new federal student aid programs for people in public sector jobs has made this awesome job a reality. (Plus, if I work in the public sector for 10 years, the outstanding balance of my loans at that point are forgiven!)
There was also a question about how America with drug offenses…and I have WAY too much to say to add anything to this post about that. That will get it’s own post.
Ok, so sorry for the loooooong post. If you stuck with me, you rock. If not, then you probs aren’t reading this. But, for those still here, question: Did this bore the shit out of you?
A public defender super heroine by day, I am a cupcake baker extraordinaire by night. And come weekend, I am an IronPerson. I deal with an NPR addiction daily and I dream of one day having Carl Kasell on my answering machine. I strive to be the best fur-mommy I can be, and when I have time, I'm learning to be a grownup.
17 Responses for "Clean Up."
You’re never boring! I’m thinking about sending this post to my bf who is now having seconds thoughts about going to law school. I swear, that boy is going to drive me crazy!
Why do all the lawyers I know not like being lawyers?? Hmmm.
My college roommate is finishing up her first year at Duke in clinical psych! She likes it so far.
No!!!!!!! I love reading about people doing things they have a passion for. Your job sounds so interesting (and frustrating). My job is fairly chill, but it can be really boring at times. It’s fun to read about how the “other half lives” and whatnot.
No way, this is really interesting! I totally wish you could meet one of my dear friends from high school- she is a lawyer working in juvenile justice at the SPLC in Jackson, MS.
Ha, boring? I loved this post. ;p
And God, so much of this sounds all too familiar. I also knew I didn’t want to be a lawyer relatively early on and didn’t drop out since I assumed I’d put too much effort into it. My differences?
-I sucked at the LSAT…and went to law school anyway to PROVE IT WRONG, MAN.
-I really wanted a joint degree but didn’t get one…for reasons I still can’t figure out.
-Instead of starting out with an opportunity to make a bit of money, I was unemployed for about a year. (Or underemployed considering that I waited tables. ;p)
I know I shouldn’t have gone to law school, though I had similar reasons for wanting to go (particularly the interest in psychology)…but man…what I’d like to do to my 21 year old self now that the J.D./Esq thing has made me completely unmarketable for non legal jobs.
Oh well! Glad to see others with similar thoughts on the subject considering how many people ask me about my opinions on law school these days.
i LOVED this post. i really like learning too. luckily i’m planning on going into a career where i can keep doing that
and what the heck to april? i feel like the year just started and already 4 months are gone!
ugh – i am un-passionate (word?) about my career also..but i will work it for stability…i just hope i get a steady job
It’s always great to learn more about my favorite bloggers!!
My blogging has been pretty sporadic too, life sure does get in the way of blogging!! haha!!
Nope, didn’t bore me at all, and I’m still full of shit. But really, reading this was awesome, and sadly corroborates what I’ve heard from young lawyer friends – that dreams of changing the world get put on hold when you look at your loan balance. I’m also going to have mega loans, but fortunately won’t have the option of making the big bucks when I graduate. Yeehaw!
No, not boring at all! I loved school too so I love hearing other people’s experiences.
This actually did NOT bore the shit out of me! I want to go to law school and eventually do international human rights law with the UN. I am just finishing my third year of college, studying history and human rights and I like learning (although I don’t like to write papers). Law and psychology sounds like an interesting intersection to probe; I think you have an exciting career (and life) ahead of you!
um, I’m a nerd so this shizzle fascinates me…um…YOU were THOSE…the doctorate/masters program people….HATE YOU cause you.are.so.smart. I have a newfound crush on you…again.
NEVER BORING! I love learning more about you!!!
loved it, esp since i feel like my path has been so boring in comparison. love that you are not settling for a career that isn’t perfect for you!
Not boring! I almost considered law school, took a few courses actually while in grad school…. but I needed a break after my masters.
I deal with the big corporate folks all the time…. blah. Although there are a few I can stand, I just don’t know how they do their job all day…. we deal with bodily injury stuff and it gets me depressed.
I’m looking slightly forward to next week when I’ll be on jury duty! See if I get picked!
One thing you’ve never been is boring. That’s why I read your blog. Also because I’m your mother.
This was an awesome post, not boring at all!
I just realized how much we have in common too – although I am a 30 year old who hasn’t had a real life job ever.
No shame here though. I also changed my major about 17 times, and would go to school forever if I could. Oh, wait, I am going into academia…sweet!
Looking forward to the how America deals with drug offenses post…I have some opinions on that one too.
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